A post plagued with profanities…
Apparently I have a large sign on my head which can only be seen by doctors. The sign must read, “THIS WOMAN IS A COMPLETE MORON. SHE DESERVES NO RESPECT. BE RUDE AND SHE’LL PROBABLY JUST GO AWAY.”
Grrrr.
Went to a sleep specialist today because that whole not sleeping thing? For a number of YEARS? Is not a good thing. I have headaches daily. I’m fuzzy-brained, and am lethargic throughout the day. I’m crabby. And, despite continued workouts, I’m gaining weight. Plus, although I’m 33, I look A WHOLE lot older. I am not aging well. And frankly, my vanity is getting the better of me.
But the biggest reason I went is because someday I’m going to need to find a job. And I’m pretty sure that I wouldn’t do a very good job when I’m getting so many headaches and can’t remember a conversation I’ve had 10 minutes ago. And they might not like me nodding off at 2 p.m. most days.
So I made an appointment at St. Luke’s Sleep Clinic last week. I went there today. I find out I most likely have sleep apnea AND insomnia. Gah. So a sleep study is next.
This all is fine. What pissed me off was the following conversation:
Me: I have problems falling asleep (blah blah, mind racing, blah, for years, blah.)
Dr: We have some drugs you can take for that.
Me: Well, we’ve been trying to have a baby. So I’m all for drugs if they are safe to use during pregnancy.
Dr: No tests have been done to confirm whether problems result with the fetus but yes, we probably don’t want to put you on any drugs if you are planning to conceive. We could use another tactic. What you do is you go to bed later and get up sooner each day. You create a sleep deficit. Then you gradually let yourself sleep more. You’ll be so tired, insomnia won’t be a problem. You will retrain your brain to think of your bedroom as a place of rest. Not anxiety.
Me: Well, that sounds good. But I get migraines if I have a few nights in a row of not enough sleep.
Dr: Stares at me like I’m an idiot.
Me: Stares back. Waiting for him to say something else.
Dr: It appears you want everything. And you can’t have EVERYTHING.
No, I don’t want everything. I want a fucking decent night’s sleep on a semi (at least) regular basis. Have you seen my skin? Have you seen all of the zits on my face?? Have you seen the bags under my eyes? This dull look in my eyes isn’t because I’m stupid. It’s because I’M FUCKING TIRED. And I feel like I’m about to lose my shit over this! I worry that if the outside of my body looks this shitty, then the inside must be far worse.
So I looked at the man. I didn’t know what to say. But I managed.
Me: Taking care of my son is MY job. If I get migraines I can’t do my job. My husband has to stop his work and take care of my son. If my husband has to do this more than every once in a while, he’s going to get fired. Then I will have even bigger problems than migraines and insomnia.
Dr: Well, I guess you’ll have to find a way to work around that.
And that’s when I realized this man has never had a migraine in his life or insomnia for that matter. (And then I wanted to GIVE him something to worry about!) I doubt he has kids. His 20-something ass was too well rested and groomed for that. After that exchange I wasn’t tired anymore. I was angry. Very angry. But I held my tongue. I got my paper work and left.
I really want to get a new sleep doctor. But if I stick with Dr. Jack (as in jackass), I could get my sleep study done next week. And then I’m that much closer to the possibility of a good night’s sleep on a regular basis. Or I could wait and find someone who’s not a complete jerk. But judging by the doctors in the St. Louis area, its quite difficult to find one that’s not. And really, I’ll be happy to overlook the asshole factor IF HE’S GOOD AT HIS JOB and in the end I get some quality sleep.
What is it about doctors acting as if they are the only remotely intelligent people on the planet? Is it just me? Or does this happen to you all too?






Hulai on 17 Oct 2006 at 7:30 am #
omg that guy was a dick weed! i have found exactly one doctor that has treated me like a patient and not some stupid medically uneducated fool. hes my current obgyn. wonderful man. I hate going to the doctor for just that reason! I probably would have told him that I felt he was treating me like shit. Ha im a bitch though. Not really, just have reached that point with doctors! Good luck with that sleep study hon!
carrie on 17 Oct 2006 at 7:53 am #
I can see the problem - a 2nd opinion sounds great, but I totally understand you not wanting to put this off any longer.
I wish I had a magic wand to wave over you!!
Carrie
Pattie on 17 Oct 2006 at 11:48 am #
It sounds like you aren’t dealing with someone who is particularly compassionate or able to show empathy for your problem. Whether he has suffered from migraines or insomnia or not…..
Anonymous on 17 Oct 2006 at 12:17 pm #
Can you say “jerk”?
Wow. Sounds like you need a new doctor. Or to give that one a swift kick in the backside, since you need help sooner rather than later.
I hope your sleep study helps find some answers.
reformattingmybrain on 17 Oct 2006 at 1:09 pm #
He seems to be a pill-pushing doctor. My Gawd! Doctors! There’s a reason they’re rich - they know how to keep us coming back for “answers”. Hang in there for a sleep study - I don’t blame you for not wanting to put that off. Hope you feel better soon.
Stephanie A. on 17 Oct 2006 at 1:13 pm #
I SO HEAR YOU on the doctors. Especially those here in STL. I have a very rare disease and pretty much nobody knows anything about it. The progesterone drop after having Hugo made my disease so much worse and caused me huge problems and nobody could help me. Their solution- take an antibiotic. Jeez, I didn’t catch something it’s a DISEASE.
However, I do have a very compassionate OB/GYN and while there are times she’s flighty, she’s always sincere and is willing to try any path. And she’s very aggressive with fertility, too. If you’d like her name, I’d be happy to share it with you. Not sure if she could help with the migraines or insomnia, but sometimes just having one nice doctor makes it all better.
Take good care of yourself, Lisa.
Rude Cactus on 17 Oct 2006 at 1:15 pm #
What a jackass doctor. Shove a railroad spike through is left ear and see if he sings the same tune.
Mom101 on 17 Oct 2006 at 1:21 pm #
Oh wow, what a hard thing to have to go through.
While I do think doctors know a little something about sleep deprivation (from the few friends of mine who’ve been through med school) it seems that not all of them know a whit about bedside manner. It’s like they forget they’re treating a person and not a problem. Maybe that’s why he works at a research clinic?
I hope you find someone better who gets it. Nothing worse than a doctor who you feel isn’t even hearing you–except maybe the same while you’re already exhausted and ready to punch someone.
Anonymous on 17 Oct 2006 at 1:30 pm #
You might try getting over yourself.
It is hormones, plane and simple. You rarely ever here of men having all of these problems. Women get hormonal, making their mind play terrible tricks on them.
Lisa on 17 Oct 2006 at 2:21 pm #
Well anonymous, what do you suggest, other than getting over myself? How exactly does one just “get over it”, fall alseep and stay asleep and NOT wake up with a headache each day? If you have any suggestions/meds I haven’t tried, I’m all ears.
You are right. It mostly IS hormones. So how exactly do I turn them off at night?
And while you’re at it, if you are so confident in what you have to say, why are you anonymous?
Christina_the_wench on 17 Oct 2006 at 2:30 pm #
Can I kick anon’s ass for you since you don’t need this shit from them? I’m in the mood today! =)
quinn on 17 Oct 2006 at 3:12 pm #
Wait, are you me? Everything you’ve got, I’ve got, down to the migraines, skin issues and not aging well (and yes, I too have become more and more concerned about this lately. And then more and more concerned at my growing superficiality…).
Maybe I too just need to get over myself. One of the tricks my hormone-addled mind plays on me is thinking there’s a difference between “plane” and “plain,” “here” and “hear.” And believing that not exercising that knowledge while typing out a mildly offensive comment can make you appear, well, kind of stupid.
Ms. Poopydigs on 17 Oct 2006 at 3:13 pm #
He’s an arse.
I’ve had migraines and you can’t function through them, let alone chase after a kid.
Here’s wishing you some ZZZZs.
Mom Nancy on 17 Oct 2006 at 3:22 pm #
Lisa, maybe check into this guy http://www.preventionandhealing.com/pah-about_yu.htm .
Amy uses him, and I’ve been tempted to see him for my migraines. It’s a bit of a trek for me though.
Also, if it’s all hormones then what kind of a sally does that make your DAD? *snort* Some people are so ignernt.
Linlee on 17 Oct 2006 at 4:22 pm #
What a moron! I’m sorry you are going through this. I guess chocolate can’t solve everything..lol
Andrea on 17 Oct 2006 at 4:47 pm #
I say “see ya” to an asshole doctor faster than (s)he can say “moron”. I’ve gone to a couple doctors and not gone back because of that very reason (and sometimes I pick someone else if their receptionist is an ass too). I want a doctor who will listen to me, take my concerns into account, and help me make better decisions about my health, because when it comes down to it, IT’S MY BODY, so the decisions are mine, including whether or not I continue to see a Dr. Jack and whether or not he sees more than one insurance payment from me.
Next time you go and he’s mean to you, say this: “Two words. Bedside. Manner.” Then walk out and find a new doctor. Seriously? Getting mad like that over someone who clearly has never seen the bad (and vulnerable) side of that exam table can contribute to migraines, and I don’t know about you, but when I can’t sleep, I’m thinking about things that bother me. Seems to me that having Dr. Jack for a doctor may just contribute more to your problem than getting a sleep study a week sooner warrants. You’ve dealt with this for years. What’s one more week to find someone who will treat you with a modicum of respect?
AlaskaJen on 17 Oct 2006 at 5:06 pm #
Hi Lisa,
I had a lot of hoops to jump through with some of my medical problems and the first doctor I went to said that he didn’t beleive that my condition really existed. I know it’s incredibly frustrating to take the time (and money!) to go to new doctors -but in the end it is worth it to find the one that will listen to you and all the factors that are part of your life, what your concerns are and then help you come up with a plan so that you can get your life back.
Can you take the results from the sleep study to another doctor? I don’t know if that kind of test is transferable like blood work would be. Going to the doctor sucks enough without putting yourself through the additional stress of dreading haivng to deal with him. And if he isn’t listening to you (not just hearing you) then how effective is he really going to be at treating you.
What worked for me is similar to what Stephanie suggested. I have an aweseom ob/gyn and she gave me the scoop on other specialists so that I knew who to go see. And by giving me a referrel, I got in quicker. Also because I was pregenant at the time, she was able to monitor what I could and couldn’t take. Because realistically, any drug that is any good typically waon’t ever be tested on pregnant women. But she knew which one’s had good results based on previous patients and helped me make informed decisions about the risks.
I hope it gets better soon! I know how it feels to want to be able to enjoy spending time with the people you love and not physically being able to.
Anonymous on 17 Oct 2006 at 5:13 pm #
What an ass he was… surely there’s another doctor in the practice you could see instead, no?
Mrs. Chicky on 17 Oct 2006 at 7:13 pm #
I think anon needs to learn how to spell before he starts taking shots at others.
Asshat.
Ditto for your doctor. How dare you want everything, like a full night’s sleep and no migraines!? The nerve of you! The next thing you’ll ask for will be equal pay, fair working conditions and the continued right to vote.
jennster on 17 Oct 2006 at 8:06 pm #
pisses me off. why is the first answer, medication? why is the fucking health society so hell bent on medicating everyone as the answer?!
Hulai on 17 Oct 2006 at 8:43 pm #
apparently anonomys is related to dr dick weed. Kick his ass!
Sarah on 17 Oct 2006 at 10:15 pm #
I have five reactions to this post…
1. What an ass!
2. It is definitely true that doctors think they are the only intelligent life on the planet. I have the same problems with gastroenterologists, where I am constantly trying to find one that treats me like I have a brain between my ears. Speaking from experience, I would go through with the sleep study and start a search for a better doctor in the meantime. I know that sounds contradictory, but you can always bring the results of your sleep test to the new doctor so that he or she has something to work off of outside your symptoms. They might give you another sleep test, but then if the results are the same twice it just gives them more weight and if they differ then they know there might be more to your condition than just what is observable in a sleep test.
3. Did I already say “What an ass!” because I should have. Jerk.
4. Why does he automatically want to give you medicine when he goes on to show that he obviously has no idea how to treat your specific condition? At least you know that he has one strong suit: he can jump to conclusions very well.
5. I’m adding one more “What an ass!” for good measure. Ready?
What an ass!
Jen on 18 Oct 2006 at 1:09 am #
I’ll just add one more “what an ass!” for good measure.
If I were you (which I’m not), I would get the sleep study, then ask your doc for all your records (including the sleep study) and get a new doctor.
I sympathize so much. Not only do I have insomnia (but mine is nowhere as bad as yours, I only have it about once a month and I can call in sick to work and lay on the couch all day because I don’t have a child to care for), but I have had my share of asshole doctors. One doctor told me that my (still undiagnosed, very painful) back and hamstring problems were psychosomatic… meaning all in my head. Another said “Wow, taht looks like it’s going to hurt” while I was about to get a cortison injection in my back.
I’m sorry about all this. Oh, and I hope “anonymous” gets punched in the face by a woman is PMSing. And then kicked in the balls too.
Jaelithe on 18 Oct 2006 at 3:07 am #
Hmm, an ass of an anonymous male commenter and and ass of a male doctor all on the same page. Lovely.
Unfortunately, I can confirm that this does happen to the rest of us, too. I am so sick of healthcare “professionals” acting like they are better and smarter than anyone else. Just because someone didn’t choose to go to med school doesn’t mean that person is a moron. Where would these doctors be without the rest of us to, you know, run all aspects of society that are not directly related to medicine?
I’m so sorry you had to go through that, on top of the pain and stress you’re already dealing with from your health issues.
Are there any friends or relatives nearby who could help out by watching Seth for a few days while you are going through this sleep adjustment experiment Dr. No Manners wants you to try?
I would volunteer my own time, if I anticipated actually having any in the next couple of weeks. (I could probably swing it for one day, but I don’t know if one day would help you . . . and that is of course assuming you want to leave your kid with someone you’ve never met in person, heh. Andrea can tell you I’m not a serial killer, right Andrea?)
Suebob on 18 Oct 2006 at 4:17 am #
If you can afford it, try finding a naturopathic doctor. They work mostly with herbs and stuff but at least in CA…oops, I forgot the midwestern part…they can prescribe drugs, too.
My naturopath LISTENS - my first appt was 90 minutes…it is so wonderful to be with someone who cares and explains things fully.
Red Rollerskate on 18 Oct 2006 at 5:42 pm #
Dude, you do not need that. Find a new doctor. Wait, let me rephrase. Stay with this doctor for now, get your sleep study done, then promptly drop his sorry ass. SO sorry that you have to deal with migraines AND sleep problems - that sucks. Sounds like a negative cycle. I would have at least given you a sympathetic look, had I a medical degree. I am giving you one now, without that degree. Hope things improve soon.
Red Rollerskate on 18 Oct 2006 at 5:46 pm #
To anon,
>>It is hormones, plane and simple.
Are you a doctor? Or is it hormones because she is female?
>>You rarely ever here of men having all of these problems.
Actually I do hear of men having these problems. It’s called being an asshole. They rarely see doctors for that.
>>Women get hormonal, making their mind play terrible tricks on them.
Are you from 1950? How old are you?
….Dad? Is that you?
Marcus The Dad on 18 Oct 2006 at 6:04 pm #
There is a long line at the gates of heaven. However, occaisionally someone strolls past the line to the front and announces himself as a Doctor and walks right in. The exeption is an old man who keeps walking up to the front and being turned away. When asked who the old man is, Saint Peter replies “Oh, thats just god trying to pretend he’s a doctor”.
Oh, and to Mr Anon, its “Plain” not “Plane” dumbass.
Anonymous on 18 Oct 2006 at 7:57 pm #
Lisa - call Barnes’ Sleep Clinic. They’re very good and they even hold the sleep clinic at The Chase! This is who my dad goes through and he hasn’t had any problems. They originally gave him the CPAP machine, but I think they’re going to look into something else for him this time. He just went last night.
I wouldn’t give this idiot a second chance to piss you off.
Lori on 19 Oct 2006 at 3:33 pm #
Excuse my French, but I fucking hate doctors.
Really.
Haven’t met a single one that I’ve like yet.
I’m sorry that you were treated this way, but sadly I’m not surprised. I hope that you will find a cure to your sleep issues VERY SOON!
Janice (5 Minutes for Mom) on 19 Oct 2006 at 9:44 pm #
what an idiot! obviously he has had neither a migraine not insomnia!
Besides, I have a sleep disorder and the more tired I am the worse it gets! I was off my meds to have my son and i never slept more than 4 hours at a time. it was hell. I wouldn’t go to sleep till sometimes 5 or 6 am and then I had to get up and go to work AND I was pregnant. NOT FUN! So now I am medicated and if I can ever get pregnant again (which doesn’t seem to be happening) it will have to be while I am medicated. Because none of us can survive me unmedicated.
Good luck! I hope you can find a solution!
Jenn on 25 Oct 2006 at 7:25 pm #
My friend who always had a hard time with sleeping took something from the health food store and it worked wonders for him, he said. I forgot the name of it now. But it wouldn’t be a bad idea to run into one of those holistic places and ask.